Paul Gyodo Sensei and Charlie Jodo discuss what drew them each to Zen Buddhism, how we experience validation, clarity, and understanding, practicing with uncertainty, and the many shifts and changes that can unfold on the path of practice. Jodo also shares his experiences living at the abbey in a Zen Center and ordaining as a monk, then returning lay practice and life as a householder. 

Jodo is a Senior Student with Eon Zen Center and One Body Sangha, and a psychotherapist specializing in trauma, attachment and couples therapy. He served as Shuso (Head Trainee) for Eon Zen's 2025 Ango practice period.